b/w tiers (Just b/w pokemon) comments

Victini - BL
Jalorda - OU
Enbuoh - BL
Daikenki - UU
Miruhog - NU
Muurando - UU
Lepardas - NU
Yanakkie - UU
Baokkie - UU
Hiyakie - UU
Musharna - BL
Kenhorou - UU
Zeburaika - NU
Gigaiath - OU
Kokoromori - UU
Doryuuzu - OU
Tabunne - UU
Roopushin - OU
Gamageroge - NU
Nageki - NU
Dageki - UU
Hahakurimo - NU
Pendoraa - UU
Erufuun - UU
Doredia - BL
Basurao - NU
Waruvial - BL
Hihidaruma - OU
Marakacchi - NU
Iwaparesu - UU
Zuruzukin - BL
Shinpora - UU
Desukan - UU
Abagoura - UU
Archeos - BL
Dasutodasu - UU
Zoroark - OU
Chillacino - NU
Gochiruzeru - NU
Rankurusu - OU
Swanna - NU
Baibanira - UU
Mebukijika - UU
Emonga - NU
Shubarugo - OU
Moroareru - BL
Burungeru - OU
Mamanbou - BL
Denchura - UU
Nattorei - OU
Gigigear - UU
Shiborundon - OU
Oobemu - UU
Shandera - OU (Uber if shadow tag)
Ononokusu - OU
Tsunbeaa - UU
Furiijio - UU
Agirudaa - BL
Maggyo - NU
Kojondo - OU
Crimgan - UU
Goruugu - BL
Kirikizan - UU
Baffuron - UU
Wargle - BL
Barujiina - UU
Kuitaran - NU
Aianto - BL
Sazandora - OU
Ulgamoth - OU
Cobalon - OU
Terrakion - OU
Virizion - OU
Tornelos - BL
Voltolos - OU
Reshiram - Uber
Zekrom - Uber
Landlos - OU
Kyurem - Uber
Kerudio - OU
Meloetta - OU
Genosekuto -OU


What i tried to do was anything that isn't uu but is almost ou i made bl so the borderline may become a proper tier. Everything i didn't add is obviously NFE

Yeah, there's no way ononokusu, sazandora, or genosect are uber. I've played a good but both using them and against them. Sazandora was #1 atleast a little while ago, but I'm not exactly sure why....it's slightly stronger than latias but doesn't have the speed, bulk, and trick to run specs better. Ononokusu seems like a huge threat with 147 base attack but honestly it's underwhelming with meh speed and bulk and not to mention it can't do anything to skarmory. Genosect is pretty good with rock polish but it's walled by certain pokes and just special walls in general. Mixed is meh because the only useful physical attack it gets is U-turn so I'd probably just want to use rock polish anyway.

i edited 2 but not sure about ononokusu since salamence is uber and it is even stronger with better typing

Salamence is much stronger because onono can't run mix. Imo it's still too early for a tier list, but your list is at least a start

Ok i made it OU for now and ill see if it ends up too strong

You guys are going off of pure stats with ononokuso. You have to take into account it's moves. And its moves include Dragon Dance. Dragon Dance with 147 base attack and (I believe) 97 base speed... AND Mold Breaker... That will wreck shit up in OU.

twilightknight wrote:

You guys are going off of pure stats with ononokuso. You have to take into account it's moves. And its moves include Dragon Dance. Dragon Dance with 147 base attack and (I believe) 97 base speed... AND Mold Breaker... That will wreck shit up in OU.

I completely agree with you, but i haven't seen ononokusu do too much sweeping yet

Very nice tiering! only thing I have to add is that the electric spider thingy, Denchura, is much better then NU. with something like 100ish base special attack, high speed, and compound eyes stab thunder going for it, it would probablly qualify for at least uu

yeah, only problem is i have never seen that pokemon in battles so idk how dangerous it is yet your probably right

I remember seeing a video on YouTube and it wrecked shit up. It is at least BL based on what I saw of it.

I really don't think that Denchura is fit for BL.. Then again, my experience is rather limited.

Either way, I'm looking to know, would there be any significant updates of previous Pokémon, due to their newly unlcoked Dream World abilities, or anything else? For example, the Eccentric Ditto, or 'Evolution Stone'd Porygon2?

Eccentric Ditto is easily ou. But i believe kance is just updating b/w pokemon, and if he is he should change the title of the post. otherwise he has to update the tiers with newly implemented abilites such as Speed boost blazeiken, eccentric ditto, so on.

Lon wrote:

Eccentric Ditto is easily ou. But i believe kance is just updating b/w pokemon, and if he is he should change the title of the post. otherwise he has to update the tiers with newly implemented abilites such as Speed boost blazeiken, eccentric ditto, so on.

Ditto is a boss, and everyone knows it, but he could really be in any tier since he can only transform
but by usage he's a definite OU

the problem with the dream world tiers is some pokemon become 2 tiers depending on if they have dream world ability or not, plus i couldn't find a list of all pokemon with the new abilities

Okay, I'm not that pushed about people updating old Pokémon into tiers just yet either way, on account of the fact that I don't have any Gen V games yet. If anybody's still interested, though, here is a list of all the Dream World abilities.

Also, should this be stickied, or something, if it's finished?

damn, thats a lot of dream world abilities

well i think the dream world abilities only affect sharpedo, blaziken, possibly mawile, maybe linoone, possibly sceptile, maybe entei, wobbufet, quasire, feraligatr, possibly tauros, possibly lapras, maybe charizard. Im not sure since i haven't checked them all in detail, are there any i have missed or shouldn't of added.

There's loads to be considered. I don't know what's relevent enough to have an effect, or have an effect on just OU.

Azumaril gets Herbivore.
Kingler gets Brute Force.
Ninetales gets Drought.
Slowbro gets Regeneration.

It has the potential to be a long list.

Kance. All the pokemon will be affected by the dream world abilites, but i agree with you that they may be two tiers but i still think we should consider them in the best possible tier they could be in as we did past pokemon such as Breloom who was obviously ou with toxic heal but maybe not with effect spore. so i say we can stickey this since he says just b/w pokemon in the description but we should defiantly add tiering the dw pokemon on our todo list.

Why would there be a separate dw tier list? It's like scizor getting technician. Just because most pokemon got new abilities via dream world doesn't mean there should be a separate list. The thing I'm not sure about is whether to base the tiers on all dw abilities or just the released ones. Doing all of them at once at least for now would probably be good because updating it every time a new pokemon is released is a hassle...

i suggest shadow tag just becomes banned and the other pokemon get out in the max tiers possible rather than 2 tiers because you could get some people carrying brute force without anyone knowing

I suggest that we stop this. we have no testing going on at all, were just blindly saying what should go where. Just let smogon do it like always.

well just using this for fun, like how i used it for my sub special and stuff

Yeah Mew, stop being a buzzkill.